Metaphysical Romp Radio Show





Welcome to the Blog Page for the radio show
Metaphysical Romp II,
produced by Unity Online RadioAirs at 3:00 pm ET on Tuesdays

Meet our co-hosts, who are all 21st Century Metaphysicians, ordained Unity ministers, and prolific authors:

Rev. Dr. Paul Hasselbeck, metaphysician, speaker, author, and spiritual coach. Rev. Paul is the former Dean of Spiritual Education and Enrichment at Unity World Headquarters, Unity Village, MO.  Visit Rev. Paul at, where he shares the Absolute Word and more.

Rev. Dr. Bil Holton and Rev. Dr. Cher Holton, spiritual mentors, authors, speakers, corporate consultants, and co-owners of The Global Center for Spiritual Awakening, an on-line MetaSpiritual community for those who are more spiritual than religious, a well as Holton Consulting Group, Inc., an Impact Consulting firm focusing on Extraordinary Leadership, Extraordinary Moments, located in Durham, NC.

This is a place where you can leave comments or pose questions to us. We also encourage you to give us ideas of topics you would like us to discuss on the show!

Listen to the archived shows here:

Click here for Recommended Resources from our shows (and more) 

Links to our Models, Charts, and Metaphysical Adventures:

Pentatonix singing Imagine: An incredible rendition by this acapella group, that takes John Lennon’s beautiful song to a whole new level of interpretation! Enjoy!

Your Best Self DiaryThis is a great spiritual practice to help you enhance your well-being, enrich yourself spiritually, and build a sense of internal locus of control over your life!

Believe? Know? So What?: Use this chart to begin to identify what you REALLY believe … and how these beliefs impact your life on a daily basis.

Listen to Rupert Sheldrake’s Ted Talk on Youtube: The Science Delusion –– and ask yourself what “Unquestioned Answers” you have believed in that are not really true. 

Here is a link to Lothar Schafer discussing the issue of what Quantum Physics reveals about how we should live our lives. We are discussing his book, Infinite Potential, on our show.

What If I’m the New Jerusalem? Spend time reflecting on this question. If you were the New Jerusalem, how would you think, feel, and act, to be congruent with that that means?

Spiritual Truth-Seekers Bill of Rights, Parts 1& 2 
    Reflect on these two questions:
    • What are the necessary conditions for your spiritual progress?
    • What are your favorite spiritual practices — and why?

            • Now, write your own Truth-Seekers Bill of rights to reflect your current spirituality.

Mindfulness Over Matter: A discussion with our Think Tank (Rev. Linda Martella-Whitsett and Rev. Ron Fritts joined the three of us!) 
Link to the video we discussed:

Biocentrism—Listen to Robert Lanza’s YouTube presentation along with our discussion on the show. Then consider this Metaphysical Adventure: Perception versus Reality. Throughout the day, as you experience feelings, actions, outer stimuli, ask yourself the question “Is this true?” Then follow up with another question: “What else might be true about this?” And finally, “How am I influencing the perception of reality I am experiencing—and how can I change it?”

My Definition of God: Listen to the YouTube interview by Tom Chi (Link below), then create your own way to complete this sentence: God is . . .; then explain why this definition works for you!
Interview between Mind Valley CEO and Tom Chi: Does God Exist?

Why Aren’t My Affirmations Working? A worksheet designed to help you understand why it amy appear your affirmations are ineffective.

Model of the Absolute and Relative Realms This model provides a visual description of the concepts Absolute and Relative, and helps you to define what is included in each. (Be sure to listen to the first show in our archives to hear Paul, Bil, and Cher discuss this model in detail.)

Holy Cow! Technique  This “Metaphysical Adventure” is a great technique to use when you find yourself in one of those “Holy Cow!” moments in life.

What Am I Thinking? The Three Rs: A “Metaphysical Adventure” to help you move out of a situation where you are feeling upset, frustrated, or any other negative emotion. This technique gives you back a sense of control, and helps you manage the relative realm with power and grace.

Rewind Technique: A “Metaphysical Adventure” designed to help you recognize the connection between the Absolute and the Relative realms, see them in action in your daily life, and validate your point of power in manifesting the results you want.

Relative Listening—Absolute Truth: A great “Metaphysical Adventure” that will help you recognize the difference between statements that are relative and those which are Absolute. But that’s not all. This activity helps you reframe what you hear, to ensure you are standing in Truth and acting from your spiritual foundational beliefs.

Notice This: This “Metaphysical Adventure” helps you become consciously aware of what is relative and what is Absolute in your daily activities … and recognize the implications.

Living in the Dramatic Pause: A “Metaphysical Adventure” to help you take advantage of the realm of Infinite Possibility.

Innie or Outie? A powerful “Metaphysical Adventure” designed to empower you to use your Internal (Innie) versus your External (Outie) Locus of Control.

Summary of Research related to Internal (Innie) and External (Outie) Locus Of Control  This is a PDF file.

Commit Yourself! This “Metaphysical Adventure” invites you to reflect on what you’ve been practicing and hearing during our shows, and begin making spiritual practice a part of your daily routine.

I Am, Therefore I ….   This is a great Spiritual Practice that can help you know yourself at the deepest level. We recognize our point of power when we realize we are never stuck with who we think we are — or how other people think we are! Use this fun activity on a regular basis, and claim  your power!

Meditation Rumination: A Spiritual Practice designed to help you get more out of your meditation experience, and identify which meditation techniques work best for you.

Preparing for the Silence: This Metaphysical Adventure helps you move from meditation into the Silence.

Affirmative Prayer Process:Download the 5-step Affirmative Prayer Process here. (For additional information, see Chapter 8 of Heart-Centered Metaphysics and Chapter 8 of Applying Heart-Centered Metaphysics.)

Prayer Practice and Awareness: TO or FROM: This activity reinforces the 5-step Affirmative Prayer Process, and helps you transform your prayer practice by changing your prayer languaging.

Partner Up: A great activity to help you feel more comfortable praying with others, and gaining practice with the 5-Step Affirmative Prayer Process.

God is …; I am …: This Metaphysical Adventure gives you practice in understanding the concept of God as Principle, and using God/Principle in your daily life.

Spiritual V-8 Moment: This Metaphysical Adventure is designed to help you challenge your thinking and identify your teachable moments.

12 Powers Models: This is a PDF containing the two models we have created around the 12 Powers.

Looking Back on Creation: A Metaphysical Adventure that helps you understand the Spiritual Universe and the Physical Universe, and how you can use Divine Ideas to create the world you desire.

Personal Paradox/Divine Paradox: In Metaphysics, we talk about the Divine Paradoxes, such as God is Principle/God is personal; God is Immanent/God is Transcendent; God is Law/God is Grace. These seemingly paradoxical descriptions are sometimes difficult to wrap our heads around, so this spiritual practice is designed to help you understand and experience them with greater clarity.

Conscious Creation: This Metaphysical Adventure helps you understand the power of the Metaphysical Trinity: Mind – Idea – Expression.

A Bereitschafts Moment This is a link to our blog article about the Bereitschafts Moment we referred to on the show. It is also called Bereitschafts Potential, and is the narrow neural time line between deciding to act and actually acting, In neurology, the Bereitschafts Potential (German for readiness potential), is a measure of activity in the motor cortex area of the brain indicating voluntary muscle movement.

Note from show: The 21st Century Trinity is Metaphysics – Quantum Physics – Neuroscience.

Life’s Hidden Picture Game: Using the metaphor of a 3-D stereogram picture, this metaphysical adventure helps you see past the confusion, emotions, and negativity of the world of appearance. It also includes a link to a site containing a lot of 3-D stereogram pictures you can have fun with!

Choice Point: Choose JOY! This metaphysical adventure strengthens your awareness of experiencing heaven as a state of consciousness, and reminds you of the power of your choice in every situation.

Spiritual Practice: How Am I Showing Up? This is a great practice to help you strengthen your awareness of the power you have over your actions, and to assess the best ways to respond to situations from your highest and best self.

Fear Not! How to Avoid the “Trinity of Control” This is a metaphysical adventure that includes research about the “Trinity of Control” and a technique for avoiding it through your spiritual practice.

What Am I Doing? This is a great spiritual practice to help you be consciously aware of your threefold nature: body, mind, and Spirit.

Going Deeper: This spiritual practice helps you recognize beliefs you may be holding in your sub-conscious that are limiting your spiritual growth and enrichment. 

Conscious Consciousness: This activity helps you become familiar with your four functions of Consciousness, and recognize your dominant preference.

20-20 Foresight: A great spiritual practice for helping you master your ability to handle seemingly difficult situations with ease, grace, and success, using information about the Four Functions of Consciousness (Thinking, Feeling, Sensing, or Intuiting).

Links to NPR programs we discussed on the show:

Treating Trauma with Yoga

This American Life

The Secret History of Thoughts

You Have the Power: This practice is designed to reinforce your power over thoughts and feelings, allowing you to make the conscious decision to override your negative, self-defeating thoughts and feelings into power-charged, affirming thoughts and feelings.

Take the Fillmore Challenge: Using a quote by Unity’s co-founder, Myrtle Fillmore, this practice requires you to rethink how you speak — because your words reflect your thoughts — and your thoughts create your reality. 

Know No! A spiritual practice designed to help you recognize the need for using denials, and creating powerful denial statements.

Glamour Grammar: This spiritual practice uses the alphabet as a tool to help you get in the habit of creating powerful personal affirmations.

Divine Multiburst: An adventure designed to help you focus on the power of Divine Order as it relates to your creation abilities, recognizing the power you bring to the process of Mind — Idea — Expression.

Power Up Your Awareness: Using the 12 Powers as a Spiritual Practice: This spiritual adventure strengthens your understanding and awareness of the Twelve Powers, and how you use them to live at your highest level of Consciousness.

12 Powers Sliding Scale: Designed to help you evaluate how effectively you are “showing up” in terms of using your 12 Powers in your daily life.

Power Up Your Beliefs Worksheet: Used to determine how we may unconsciously use the 12 Powers ineffectively to fuel beliefs that give rise to negative self-talk … and how to disempower those beliefs and change them.

Invisibilia NPR Link: Link to NPR series about Entanglement that we discussed on the show.

Reverse Engineering: Designed to  strengthen your awareness of the power of a Divine Idea in the Field of Infinite Potential to transform into manifested good.

Creation Playsheet: Have some fun putting the Creation Process into action, matching the seven days of creation with the Metaphysical steps, using our special worksheet.

From Stumbling Blocks to Stepping Stones, Parts 1 & 2: A powerful metaphysical adventure to help you identify stumbling blocks and move beyond hem for greater spiritual enrichment.

My Perfect Body Poster: A creative spiritual practice that lets you design a poster which captures the essence of Wholeness and Health for you.

Prayer Awareness Check: To or From?  A process to practice with the 5-Step Affirmative Prayer process, and check the direction of your prayers.



178 thoughts on “Metaphysical Romp Radio Show

  1. To the three RD’s. I want to express my most sincere gratitude and thanks for your show. Your progressive cosmic/universal thought is constantly challenging my old beliefs. De you in a couple of weeks.

    1. Thanks, Richard! We really appreciate your positive comments — and we are looking forward to seeing you at the retreat!
      Safe travels!
      Cher, Bil, & Paul

  2. To the three hosts:
    Great, interesting and informational broadcast today.
    Thanks Rev Bil for your relanguaging of “across the aisle” to “not bi-artisan” to “bye-partisan”.
    A question about involution/evolution on the quantum level.
    Waves can become particles; particles can become waves.
    Which would be involution; which would be evolution? Or would the changes be neither?
    Eldon Patterson

    1. This is Bil! Hi, Eldon! Good hearing from you again, and it’s a joy fielding your questions. Here’s my take on a quantum perspective on involution and evolution. Involuting is waves becoming particles, and once they are collapsed into particles, eventually particles evolute back into their nonempirical state. The whole wavicle theory is quite interesting because by its very nature, it extinguishes the separation between particles and waves. Both p’s and w’s are simply different expressions of the same Universal Principle we call God by many names — in my humble opinion!
      Thanks for your question — and your positive feedback and support.

      1. NOV. 29: Rev. Bil-
        Your clarification on today,s broadcast explanating involution/evolution and waves/particles is sincerely appreciated.
        Regards, Eldon

  3. RE: Sept. 20th Broadcast “…spanda denotes subtle vibrations, waves , or throbs of the universe.” [Lothar, bottom of pages 118 and 119, Infinite Potential hardcover, 2013]
    “The world of Kashmir Shaivism is non-dualistic. All things and phenomena are united in the cosmic consciousness or its waves, in which the manifested world is created. ‘The Ultimate’. Muller-Ortega explains, ‘is spanda’ it vibrates, it expands and contracts; it manifests and reabsorbs.’ And in quantum physics, material particles constantly come out of the realm of potentiality waves and dissolve again in it: They expand and contract, they manifest and reabsorb.”
    I married my “heart throb” ln June of 1956. As (in Unity) the heart (area) denotes the power of love/attraction/prosperity, I realize this is where nutrients are sent to the cells and toxins are returned for cleansing. This process is my metaphor for healthy relationships. Partners provide nurturing and when toxins are in the relationship, the love center must process them until an attitude of nurturing can return the body’s system to a balanced state. A physician takes your pulse to monitor the established range that indicates good health. The world’s “collective consciousness” needs to pause and check its pulse, then take action to return the system to a balanced state.

  4. Bill, Cher and Paul:

    As always I have really been enjoying your show especially with the Infinite Potential book and the verity consciousness discussion intermingled with it. A suggestion for next April’s Exploding Dogma/ Exploring Divinity 2.0 – have Bill and or another facilitator have a section on Science and Metaphysical discussion. Bring in the new Quantum Physics with metaphysics. Obviously it would have to be a condensed version, but I feel it is part of the advanced metaphysical thought – verity consciousness. All three of you are great and your show has expanded my consciousness immensely. Blessings

  5. Revs./Drs. Paul, Bil, and Cher:
    Congratulations on the renewed emphasis on Premises, Principles, Immutable Laws, and Rules.
    I recalled a discussion earlier of Lothar’s statement “Consider Pythagoras, the sixth-century BCE Greek who surprised the world by declaring that things aren’t made up of any stuff but all things are numbers” [IP p.21, par. 2]
    Lothar expands/explains his comment later in the book “the single- particle interference phenomena seem to tell us that elementary particles can dissolve in states in which they are dimensionless numbers that spread out in the form of waves. By dimensionless we mean that the mathematical representations of these waves don’t have any physical units – often called dimensions by physicists –like units of matter or energy, (do), they (waves) are nothing but numbers. Thus, electrons, atoms, and molecules have mass, energy, and a specific position in space only when they are particles. When they become waves, the properties of mass and energy are lost and replaced by the properties of numbers.”[IP p. 237, par. 1]
    The first quote is an example of a “shortcut” glossing over a greater, very important idea. The second is an example of confusion of intent, to
    I which I added (do) and (waves) to unscramble the meaning of a convoluted writing style. I offer these as examples of the importance the three of you place on clarity in our language, a la Webster.
    My best to all,
    Eldon in Florida

    1. Hi, Eldon:

      As you can tell, I am a bit behind responding! But thanks for your feedback. As always, you have a way of capturing the essence of what we are talking about. We especially appreciate your positive words related to our focus on clarity of language! We don’t always hear nice comments about that!! 🙂

  6. I seem to be new to your program and I have a question. In my “physical” realm, I seem to see what I label “good” and “not good”. How do I overcome this and KNOW ABSOLUTENESS, if I keep thinking/ speaking/ expressing “good” and “not good”? Thank You.

    1. Hi, Marla! First and foremost — welcome to our virtual kitchen table! We’re glad to have you as a listener! You have posed the million-dollar question! I wish there was a really simple answer of some switch you could just flick, and suddenly you could KNOW ABSOLUTENESS. However — it’s a process! One thing we talk about a lot is Absolute and Relative — and in the relative (changing) world, we do need discernment to evaluate the way things have been manifested. The terms “good” and “bad” have emerged as understandable concepts for conversation purposes. But we also know that at the Absolute level, there is no “good” or “bad” — there simply “IS.” Getting this at a conceptual level is one thing; understanding it from a practical level takes practice, discipline (Paul does not like this word; he prefers devotion — and, it’s a word I find useful for me), and awareness. So at this stage, the first step is to just be aware of when you are thinking “good” or “bad” and stop to ask yourself, “what about this is good or bad? And how can I use it for good?” Let this become a habitual way of responding to things. Also affirming your Oneness is powerful.

      We have talked a lot about this, so you may want to check out our archives and listen to some of our earliest shows as Metaromp II. You might also find the Metaphysical Adventures we have posted here helpful as you continue to walk the spiritual path on practical feet!

      Keep the questions coming!! Blessings!

    Video available at link below.



  8. Paul, Bill and Cher:

    Just wanted to say hi from your humble spiritual explorer from Exploding Dogma Exploring Divinity. Your show is the best and it keeps me growing just like the class we all enjoyed in April. The Lothar Schafer book is mind expanding to say the least. I like the way all of you place the Quantum Physics in metaphysical terms that give it a spiritual twist. Keep making me think outside the box, folks. With Grace and Gratitude from a friend and faithful listener.

    1. Thanks, Richard, for taking time to drop us a line to let us know how much you are enjoying the show. We loved meeting you at the retreat (and hope you are planning to attend our next one, too — April 20-23). You have great energy, and share from a thoughtful, spiritually-expanding consciousness! We love having you at our virtual kitchen table!!
      Cher, Bil, & Paul

      1. Trying to catch up with your program. In the middle of May and I really enjoy the way Paul goes off on his virtual kitchen table tangents. I mean that with respect and love. You folks jumped from quantum physics into effective or ineffective communication-perfect. You folks jumped from quantum physics into effective or ineffective communication-perfect. I really enjoy how you guys go down different paths instead of just what’s on The plan for that week.

        1. Hi, Richard! You nailed it! We love the spontaneity and flexibility we’ve built into the show! You never know where we’ll end up … but you’ll always hear our viewpoints! You should hear us during the breaks — oh, wait! You know how it is because you were at the retreat! Yep, that’s us — all the time! Thanks for listening!!

  9. MORE ON NUMBERS – Addendum
    1,2,3 etc. are not “numbers”. They are the labels we assign to quantities within the concept of “numbers”.

    From Wikipedia:
    A number is a mathematical object [concept] used to count, measure, and label.
    From Infinite Potential, page 237:
    “Now, what are probabilities? Probabilities are dimensionless numbers – ratios of numbers, such as fifty-fifty or seven out of ten. Thus, the single-particle interference phenomena seem to tell us that elementary particles can dissolve in states in which they are dimensionless numbers [concepts] that spread out in space in the form of waves. By dimensionless we mean that the mathematical representations of these waves don’t have any physical units—often called dimensions by physicists —like units of matter or energy; they are nothing but numbers [concepts]. Thus, electrons, atoms, and molecules have mass, energy, and a specific position in space only when they are particles. When they become waves, the properties of mass and energy are lost and replaced by the properties of numbers.” =====================================================================================
    I understand Lothar to mean that if elementary particles can dissolve into states without mass, energy, or a specific location in space, the result is a wave.
    “A wave in not a static structure, but a dynamic appearance. … There is a characteristic contrast between the properties of particles and waves that has to do with the fact that one is static, while the other is dynamic: Waves are appearances that are extended in space; particles are localized.”
    From: Infinite Potential, page 223.

    1. Eldon,
      We love it when you email us! And your questions, observations and insights are soooo cool.

      Here’s my (Rev. Bil’s) take on Luther’s description of dimensionless numbers – and numbers in general – and his inference that particles are static. It’s my understanding that a number can be dimensionless in one system of units and not dimensionless in another. And there are an infinite number of dimensionless numbers.
      Dimensionless numbers have one thing in common: they have a dimension of ‘1’ and are the products of a ratio of quantities of some sort. In this case Luther is applying them to elementary particles in quantum physics. Dimensionless numbers also have another thing in common: they are all mathematical representations of reality and not reality itself.

      As far as his comparison between ‘dynamic’ waves and ‘static’ particles – what quantum physicists are seeing is that particles are not necessarily static entities, but their mass and radius change with expansion, and the number of particles also increases as the universe grows. I agree with him that particles are more localized; however, they are more localized at the atomic level and not at subatomic levels. It is my understanding that elementary particles are closer to masslessness than atomic particles.
      To say that ‘massless’ waves are nothing but numbers is claiming that the map is the territory, in my opinion. Mathematics – like metaphysics, spirituality, religion, philosophy, psychology, epigenetics, etc. – is simply another perspective we humans use to explain reality and our place in it.
      I’m going to toss something else at you. I believe waves have mass. It’s a mass we haven’t conceived of yet, yet it must exist in some form because it underwrites everything in the empirical realm. I’m just sayin.’ ☺
      Good to hear from you again’

  11. Infinite Potential by Lothar Schafer – Page 76: In his discussion of connectedness and wholeness he states “Everything in the universe is connected with everything else through this wholeness….
    However, the things of this world are disconnected only in their empirical existence, but connected in their nonempirical roots”
    QUESTION: How is this different from Charles Fillmore’s “collective conscious”?

  12. I’ve just about a month or so been listening to your radio show. Great stuff. Just wanted to know if you’ve touched up on the subject of tithing. I’ve learned about it through Catherine Ponders books. Also I can thank her for getting me into and involved with unity. However I feel that that info is dated and linked to much into Christianity. As I’ve been studying new stuff from your show and other info. I’m starting to feel there is a lot more involved. Will have to start reading the books from your site as well.

    1. Thanks for your positive comments, Daniel! We talked some about tithing in various shows — but have never done a full show just on that topic. Our feeling is that from a scriptural viewpoint, tithing is a law that was required in the Old Testament. Jesus never really talked about it — we feel the real practice is one of Giving Consciousness. In fact, we came up with a acronym:
      T = The
      I = Indwelling
      T = Truth
      H = Harmoniously
      I = Increases
      N = Never-ending
      G = Good

      So what do you want to reap? Sow with a prosperity Consciousness of Giving!


  13. Hi! Thank you all for a great show! I have been trying to open the link to the “Conscious Consciousness” activity, and there does not seem to be a link. I would love to be able to access it. Thank you!

  14. Greetings,
    I love this comment.”Once a child asked me – you know that kids ask difficult questions – he asked me: ‘Father, what did God do before creating the world?’
    I assure you, I found real difficulty in answering the question. So I said what I’m now going to say to you: Before creating the world, God loved. Because God is Love. [Source: an “off script” comment by Pope Francis during a homily while on his recent trip to USA.]

  15. Interesting discussion on new Jerusalem and I am going to find Bil’s article and read with an open mind! I’m still trying to count body parts!! In thinking about the TT excerpt, isn’t this what the regeneration and CFillmore belief that Death could be overcome with a regenerated, light body? We Unity folks don’t talk much about that early teaching and the New Jerusalem wasn’t one of the metaphysical Bible study interpretations.

    1. Thanks,Jan, from all of us, for your interest in the New Jerusalem and our discussion about it! Here’s a link to a blog article that includes the metaphysical reference to the New Jerusalem from Rev. Bil’s Book of Revelation, New Metaphysical version:

      The openings are: 12 major orifices: 2 eyes, 2 nostrils; 2 ears, 2 nipples, 1 mouth, I anus, 1 urethra/vagina, and our Third Eye.

      Thanks for being a loyal listener — and for sharing around our virtual kitchen table!


  16. Hopped on to listen to today’s show (9/8/15)around 6pm and delighted to see it had posted. However, the recording is for last week (9/1/15). Something go awry?
    It gave me a chance to listen again to 9/1 podcast and I wanted to double back and comment on the discussion of Faith vs understanding. In our Youth Ministry, we teach that there is a difference, subtle, between faith vs belief vs knowing. We use the following story/analogy (taken from one of the 12 Power curriculum). Walking along a path and come to a stream and you believe you can jump it. You jump it on the basis of that belief – you’ve acted in faith. Now that you have jumped it, you KNOW you can jump a stream that size. That to me is the highest form of faith — an understanding faith.
    Understanding, as a Power, seems to be more about perceiving/conceiving/Knowing RIGHT RELATIONSHIPS and utilizing them rightly. (Ella Pomeroy)
    It feels a bit presumptuous of me to unpack 12 powers with the 3 of you, but I certainly appreciate the deep dive!

    Looking forward to hearing this weeks (9/8/15) podcast! Blessings, Jan

    1. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Jan! This is exactly what we hope happens! We want our listeners to feel like they are sitting around the virtual kitchen table with us, adding their perspectives to the mix!
      You’ll be interested to know that the Powers of Understanding and Wisdom (and their relationship with Faith) were the ones that took us the longest to parse out when we wrote the PowerUp book! I am reminded of Muir’s Law: When we try to pick out anything by itself we find it hitched to everything else in the universe.
      Keep sharing your ideas! Blessings!!

  17. Yea, though I walk in the very shadow of debt,

    I shall fear no evil, for Thou art with me;

    Thy silver and Thy gold, they secure me.

    Thou preparest a way for me in the presence of the

    Thou fillest my wallet with plenty; my measure runneth over.

    Surely goodness and plenty will follow me all the days of
    my life,

    And I shall do business in the name of the Lord

    I remember stories of his soliciting funds in envelopes ( boxes?). The early days were lean.

    Keep up the good work.


    1. OOPS! This part goes in front of the above comment.

      Rev. Cher,
      RE: Tuesday’s broadcast.

      A comment on C..Fillmore’s relationship with money from Prosperity, page 69.

      A Prosperity Treatment

      Twenty-Third Psalm (Revised)

      The Lord is my banker; my credit is good.

      He maketh me to lie down in the consciousness of
      omnipresent abundance;

      He giveth me the key to His strongbox.

      He restoreth my faith in His riches;

      He guideth me in the paths of prosperity for His name’s

    2. Thanks, Eldon! You’re right … there were many different ways money was solicited back in the day. But one thing always took precedence, and that was the Truth of Prosperity Consciousness. One of the most successful endeavors was actually created by Lowell: The Prosperity Banks, which were used from 1910 – 1972. Unity’s explosion of support and growth is attributed in large part to this brainchild of Lowell’s. You can read about it — and lots more — in The Unity Movement, by Neal Vahle:

  18. Thanks to all three of you. You truly have blessed my life with this program. You have deepened my spiritual practice and constantly bring new questions and thoughts to my mind. I look forward to your programs every week and like other unity programs – I use it as a basis for my spiritual practice. With grace and gratitude

    1. Thank you so much, Richard, for your kind feedback! We love doing this show, and it is certainly powerful to know it is deepening your spiritual practice — and helping you look at those “unquestioned answers!” Abundant blessings!

  19. Paul, Bill and Cher: I have been listening to the Metaromp show for many years. I am very happy that Paul brought all three of you together for Metaromp II. All three of you bring special qualities (spiritual, scientific, humor) to get your information across to your listeners. You have advanced my spirtual practice deeply – and also brought more questions and more thought about my Divinity. I would like to hear a show on praying for others/and the world. A more advanced approach to praying for others using spritual practice and principles that you folks have been presenting on your show. I appreciate you all sharing your experiences with your listeners – it helps us understand the principles. With grace and gratitude, I thank all of you.

  20. Several of you have asked if we could list the comments with the most recent first. I finally figured out how to do it!! Hope this makes it easier to stay up to date and participate in discussions!
    Thanks to all our loyal listeners!!
    Cher, Bil, and Paul

    1. And it does! Thanks for figuring that out. I have been listening to your broadcasts during my travels to and from work …. just about right for my commute and I can honestly say that they have been a balm for Atlanta traffic ~ I sometimes find myself slowing down or taking a little longer route home to listen to the entire broadcast. Wonderful, wonderful discussions and a great way to start and end my work day. Doesn’t allow me the chance to hop online and comment though — I think I need to start recording my questions as they come up and then make the time (like Paul to hop on line. Blessings to the three of you for gathering around the virtual kitchen table most every week. Missing the June 30th talk and looking forward toward today’s! Woo hooo — two more to listen to! Virtual hugs, Jan

      1. Thanks, Jan!! We really value dedicated listeners like you! Please record your questions and post them here. We promise we will use them as fodder for our discussions around that virtual kitchen table!
        Hugs back at ya!
        Cher, Bil, & Paul

      1. You are so welcome, Eldon! It was your comment that originally prompted me to start looking for how to do it — and then others followed! Turned out it wasn’t so tough. Thanks for urging me on …!


    2. RE: July 21 Broadcast on Religion and Spirituality. In the early days of my studying Unity’s origins, my recollection is that Charles Fillmore invited other denomination ministers to attend his services and to carry the truths he propagated back to their own congregations. When the ministers found the new ideas were not received well. Some ministers were asked to leave and others left on their own. Needing a support system for the Unity study groups and churches, the Unity Worldwide Ministries was formed. (What follows is my personal thoughts and observations.) Unity started as a movement. Rev. Paul has pointed out a gradual shift in Charles’ writing that showed he sometimes slipped into duality speaking while propagating his truths. By the time I joined Unity in 2004, the church I attended (again, my opinion) demonstrated a combination of religion and spirituality. The Lord’s Prayer was sung prior to the “lesson”. Classes stressed spirituality, but church leaders fostered a belief that newcomers might not come back if asked to give up the comfortable embedded theology all at once. Using the “everyone has their own path” rationality, along with a fear of loosing people in seats (and $ ?) in a social atmosphere of “political correctness” no longer embraced spirituality exclusively. Rev. Paul and Revs. Bil and Cher clarify many examples of misinterpretations of Unity in their books “Get Over It”. With the current discourse in Unity it appears to me the group in charge and the group asking for a different course are stuck in a disagreement over the mission of Unity … Religion or Spirituality. ENTER QUANTUM PHYSICS AND ASTOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES. Today, NASA announced discovery of planet 452B [look it up on]. My prediction is that scientists and programs like this will drag a worldwide consciousness kicking and screaming into an acceptance of (the name used in thru Fillmore covenant) The “Spirit of Truth” [the great I AM]. However, “all in God’s time” (just kidding).

      1. You are so on target, Eldon! It is an on-going challenge for ministers to create a message that will resonate with those of higher Consciousness as well as those who are just searching for something different but not ready to fly yet. And the model of “church” is not creating an appropriate forum to share spirituality. Kicking and screaming is a great way to describe what is happening … and science is helping shift worldwide consciousness, albeit slower than we would like!

        Thanks for your continued input as you join us around this virtual kitchen table!

        1. July 28 Broadcast – What is light? Metaphorically, knowledge. Quantum physically, waves and Particles. E.V.Ingram ties the two together in his book In The Silence Plus.
          Comments? Eldon

          1. Greetings, Dr. Kanda’s 22 min. Video is great but just scratches the surface. I just finished reading Biocentrism by Robert Lanza, MD. His personal experiences, sprinkled with an eclectic sense of humor, add a zest to reading his 7 principles of Biocentrism. Robert’s primary message is that physics and quantum physics have failed for decades to produce a workable “Theory of Everything” that is the Holy Grail of Quantum Physics theorists. He attributes this to the basic flaw: looking for answers outside the inclusion of consciousness. He says “ … theories of the physical world don’t work, and can never be made to work, until they account for life and consciousness.”
            Readers whose source of information on these subjects is TV news clips may need this reminder: The explosion dubbed the BIG BANG caused chemical elements to move out spherically like a terrorist’s back pack bomb, rather than linearly like a projectile from a musket. I mention this because the most popular way journalists discuss a telescope’s view back 13.7 billion years as though the perceived past is a linear series of events. An inflating balloon where everything is moving away from center better fits my view of the universe, expressed in Romans 12:5. “We are all one” is not a concept espoused by Dr. Lanza, but fits nicely in my world view.

    3. Rev. Cher, I realize how busy you are. When you have time, please re-tweak the sequencing on this page. Was there a broadcast on 8/18?
      Oceans of Blessings.
      EIF 8/23/15

    1. Hi Eldon,

      It is amazing the number of people that have a kind of “allergy” to the word, “limitation.” If filtering works for you … run with it. Even so, the unlimited is limited to get to the answer … one thing. Other people have suggested refining, defining, focusing, forming, refining.

      Looks like the description for June 23 has not been picked up. Will get this fixed. One issue may be that next week is a week off at the studio. 🙁

      Blessing you, Paul

  21. Hello divine Trio!

    Please note that the program from June 2nd is not posted on Stitcher nor Unity FM.


  22. Hi all,
    It may not fit every situation, but instead of “limiting” my affinity choices, I consider the process as “filtering” my unlimited possibilities until I am comfortable in my consciousness that it is the answer I am seeking.
    Blessings, Eldon

    1. Thanks for this idea, Eldon! We will have some interesting discussion around it! In fact, you may hear some of that discussion on the air!!
      Thanks for your loyal support!

      1. On second thought, perhaps my accidental misspelling of Verity was not a coincidence. We must verify our Truths by going onto the silence and receive assurance we are in touch with Divine Truth, the “I AM”. Comments?

      2. Howdy Everyone,

        I had something like “I AM” as I was developing this construct. The idea was to have the four levels beginning with the same letter … thus … Verity Consciousness.

        Blessings all around, Paul

  23. RE: April 8th broadcast on Genesis/Creation.
    The key for Sun/Moon/Stars is to identify the locus of observation. The sun and moon are observed with our senses from earth. [How about this?] The stars are actually an infinite amount of suns in other galaxies, which represent the infinite possibilities waiting to be discovered [knowledge] and our unlimited ability for choosing how to use the new ideas.

  24. Dear Metaphysical Romp Trio,

    I have been studying the 12 Powers with your three books (HeartCentered Text and Workbook plus the 12 Powers latest version), for the past couple weeks through Unity online class. And how happy am I it coincided (???) with your 3 programs on the Powers too!!!! I wrote the following meditation using the Powers for my prayer partner and would appreciate your honest feedback. Thank you for all you do!!!! Blessings!

    I open my heart and my mind to give and to receive, all the Love and the Peace there is for me to give and to receive.

    I open my heart and my mind to be the Light to others and to myself.

    And as I open my heart and my mind, I remember I Am Divine and as such I am empowered to be, and to give and to receive, Light and Love and Peace.

    It is through my Faith that I believe that I Am Light and Love and Peace.

    It is through my Strength that I stay the course and never ever give up into darkness nor fear.

    It is through my Will that I choose to kindle, to be kind and to bring harmony everywhere I go.

    It is through my Understanding that I comprehend what it is to be Light, Love and Peace.

    It is through my Wisdom that I discern and make heart connections with myself and others.

    It is through my Release that I deny and give no power to thoughts opposite to my Faith.

    It is through my Order that I align and arrange my thoughts, feelings and beliefs with my Divinity.

    It is through my Love that I unify myself and others, enfolding us in Light and Peace.

    It is through my Power that I master my thoughts, feelings and beliefs to express Oneness.

    It is through my Imagination that I see and visualize my Life filled with Light, Love and Peace.

    It is through my Life that I Shine with vitality and share my energy with Love and for Peace.

    It is through my Zeal that I Am reborn with passion, inspiration and excitement into a new Life!

    I create a new Life of Light, Love and Peace for myself and for others, forgiving what is past and believing I can start anew today. And so it is, that I am extremely grateful for the gifts of the Divine Power within me. Amen.

    1. This is really quite good. And, since this is a creation out of your own consciousness it would have a kind of feedback loop reinforcing it in your consciousness. Sharing with prayer partner would be one more way to unite in consciousness.

      Blessings! Paul

    2. Hi, Lynda:
      For some reason, I missed this comment! Nice meditation to reinforce each of the Powers, affirming they are operating from your highest, most elevated level of Consciousness! Thanks for sharing it!!

  25. WOW! What a treat to listen to the three of you push and stretch your own understandings of metaphysical teachings and pose questions that have no pat answer. I have started downloading the podcasts and listening on my way to/from work and now delight when traffic holds me up a bit so I can hear the entire discussion, uninterrupted. Only problem, Bill is making my head spin~ and sending me to the internet to explore the new findings/discussion in quantum physics. Interesting the new insights and changes being discussed as regards our current HCM text. Thank you for allowing us to be out on the edge with you. Heart to heart.

    1. Thanks, Jan, for your creative and positive comments! Bil has been known to get lots of heads spinning, and we’re glad his quantum leaps are challenging you! Glad to have you “on the edge” and around our virtual kitchen table!

    2. Hi Jan,

      Thanks for your kind words of support for Metaromp II!!! We are having a blast! And, yes, Bil does make our heads spin … and we love him for it! Thanks for dancing on the edge with us. Richard Mekdeci LUT used to say during our retreats, “If you are not living on the edge you are taking up too much room!”

      Blessing you! Paul

  26. For “big screen movie goers”
    The movie CHAPPIE is appropriately rated “R”, but illustrates the I AM (consciousness) remains intact regardless of the physical form in which it is manifested.
    [EIF Interpreted on “pi day”]

    1. We haven’t seen Chappie yet — but interestingly, our last local Spiritual Café group was dedicated to discussing how we metaphysically interpret movies! So we’ll grab some popcorn and check it out! Thanks, Eldon!
      PS: Thanks, too, for your great review of Bil’s new book, The Book of Revelation, New Metaphysical Version!

  27. What I use as A Denial. This came from a weight loss CD 40 years ago. When I had a desire for a candy bar, I would say “cancal, cancel” and the visual of the candy bar disappeared. I lost weight and continue using this technique.
    EIF 2/18/15

    1. Great example! I (Cher) am a lifetime WeightWatcher, and we have adapted one of their phrases and often say “Nothing tastes as good as healthy feels!” It usually works (but sometimes — no matter what we say — we want that Goodberry’s Frozen Custard Concrete!!

  28. Greetings to all:
    Regarding Feb. 17th broadcast, great show! When Rev. Bil described his knowing he was in contact with the “Spirit of Truth”, It reminded me of my favorite Fillmore Text, “Atom Smashing Power of the Mind”. From pages 23 & 24 – Charles relates information about the body’s “aura” and his experience with knowing he was in touch
    with his I AM.

    Charles is discussing “Miss Morgan’s” description of the aura: “There is, behind this “veil of flesh,” an actual flamelike structure invisible to our everyday, limited perception. When I say it is “radiant,” I mean it literally. . . . It is vividly alive, glorious as the sunrise.”

    Charles continues: “She tells of numerous instances in which she saw hands and feet and other parts of her body lighted or really transformed by the flame invisible. This convincing confession of Miss Morgan prompts me to tell of my development of the radiant body, during half a century’s experience. It began when I was mentally affirming statements of Truth. Just between my eyes, but above, I felt a ‘thrill’ that lasted a few moments, then passed away. I found I could repeat this experience with affirmations. As time went on I could set up this ‘thrill’ at other points in my body and finally it became a continuous current throughout my nervous system. I called it ‘the Spirit’ and found that it was connected with a universal life force whose source was the Christ.”

    I (Eldon) have a gentle tightening of my belly button area,
    When I am in meditation. Obviously, each person has their own way of confirmation. We can all be “thrill” seekers.

    I really enjoy the programs.EIF 2/18/15

  29. Thank you for your discussion about metaphysical malpractice when it relates to churches use of the bible. I have a close friend who is incredibly kind and giving; in addition to raising 5 well-rounded children as a single mom, she has devoted her free time to service of others by volunteering at a prison for women, making herself available to these women once they are let of out prison and a myriad of other selfless service positions that she does on top of working 3 jobs. Recently she volunteered at her church to run an “empowerment group” (something she’s done successfully in the past) and was informed by the church leader that she would have to step down because she’s “living in sin” with her boyfriend before she gets married. She told me how embarrassed she was when the pastor was quoting the bible to her, making her feel like a “jezebel”. After I lifted my chin off the floor, the only thing I could say is “Well it’s their loss”.

    In a world where judgment and alienation are unfortunately still the norm, shouldn’t churches be the “safe place to fall”?

    1. Thanks for sharing this, Dawn. We continue to be appalled at how people are treated in a “church” environment that supposedly is using Jesus’ teachings as their base. We don’t recall Jesus using shame, guilt, or ostrasizing as part of his practice!

      We affirm for your friend that she is Divine and worthy, and her work is extremely valuable!! And we see her relationship thriving!

    1. Thank you, Lynda, for being such a loyal listener!! We are checking into the Feb. 3 program because we were recording for the full time! Glad you felt the 11 minutes were powerful!! 🙂

      In answer to your question — I (Cher) believe we focus on Appreciation (Thanksgiving) during the final phase of Affirmative Prayer, because after moving through all the other steps, a denial would probably be unnecessary! We invite others to chime in with their views!

      1. Hi Lynda,

        I want to chime in on the use of denials in the 5 step prayer process. For me, the most appropriate place for the denial is before going into the Silence (the third step). For example, if the prayer is for healing, after the relaxation step (step one) I might say, I give no power to XYZ illness, and then do an affirmation as part of the concentration step (step 2) and then proceed to appreciation.

        I want to emphasize the appreciation is about appreciating the Truth that is realized during the prayer and to God or the Universe.

        Blessing you, Paul

  30. Dear Metaphysical Adventurers Trio,

    You may want to check the posted recording for the February 3rd program – it lasts only 11 powerful minutes; hopefully you can re-post the entire show!!

    Regarding this week’s program on Denials, I understand the recommendation is to always have an affirmation following the denial. Question: is it recommended that we incorporate denials in the last step of prayer (appreciation or thanksgiving) or focus only on appreciative affirmations?

  31. Greetings:
    Comments on Feb. 3 broadcast.
    I take this and find the probiotic PEARLS acidophilus is a great aid to digestion.
    The Dr. mentioned on Feb. 3, 2015 broadcast –
    The WORD – Referring to Genesis 1, [No Bible version or verse reference was given, and appears given from a New Thought perspective.]
    Ingraham defines the Seventh Dimension: “In the beginning God was the Universal All, but without form, and was void of manifest attributes.” [I interpret this as a definition of the all-encompassing nature of “the state of Absolute Being, ”the I AM, The Spirit of Truth and multiple other names given to the All In One Power, Presence, and Knowledge (science).]

    Rev. Paul THANKS. The personality particle explanation is great. So, is the wave also the “individuality”?

    1. Hi Eldon,

      Is the wave also the Individuality? Hmmm … For me, Individuality is that “amount” of the Christ Principle I am able to use and manifest in consciousness … which would be Christ Consciousness. So, I think Individuality and personality are a kind of continuum with Indviduality at one end and personality at the other. Mid-way on the continuum you would be 50% Individualit and 50% personality.

      I hasten to add that both Individuality and personality are expressed from the Christ Principle. The more it is personality the more belief filters are in place. The more Individuality the fewer the belief filters are in place.

      Hope this helps … Paul

  32. Revs. Paul, Cher & Bil:
    The 12/20/2015 broadcast was the most interesting and personally useful program since the new format began The science/spirituality relationships unfolds more each broadcast.

    Congratulations to Bil & Sher for the decision you made to follow your guidance and dedicate your lives to the new focus of Unity teachings. “Amping up” the message started with Paul long ago. The.three of you are the yeast in the loaf of bread that will be the new miracle of feeding millions/billions instead of thousands. “Even more than these (miracles) will you do.” I predict the time has come.

    I am blessing you all.
    EIF 1/21/2015

  33. I saw Inter(between or among)stellar in IMAX last night.
    I would love a sequel called Intra(within)steller in which a desseract is classified as a state of consciousness. Comments?

    1. Hi Eldon,

      I apologize for not getting to these posts! January and February found me flitting around the country speaking and teaching! A good thing!

      I am not connecting the dots in your question. I do not remember the term “desseract.” If you find this, please bring me up to speed!

      Blessing you! Paul

  34. Hi all,
    I was a day late hearing the fantastic beginning to your New Year broadcasts.
    I just downloaded Spirituality Speaking from Amazon.
    Looking forward to more great broadcasts.
    Eldon in Florida

    1. Hi Linda,

      This was my oops. I did not send the descriptions for the shows in prior to my vacation. 🙂 I have submitted them and they should be up and running soon.

      Blessing you! Paul

      1. Thanks for the reply Paul and for posting the programs! Because of work I always listen to them on replay.

        I am studying Metaphysics 3 with Rev. Eileen Goor (Unity interactive online program) right now and love the fact the program has caught up to the same chapters we are now/will be reviewing – the more insight the better!

        On a more personal note, it is exciting to know that you lived in Puerto Rico Paul… (I was born in WA, but lived in PR since I was 7 until 45, which was 5 years ago) and that is where my partner Margarita was born and where we met. I fell in love also with Unity in Santurce, PR – I still visit them when I go to PR).

        Thanks to the three of you for such a wonderful work that you are doing for all of us students of Metaphysics – thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

        Enjoy a blessed week! Namaste.
        PD – what a surprise to hear my name in the program, not once but twice!!! I felt so special, in a humble way – thank you!!

  35. Bill,
    Thank you for your description of our “cosmic identity.”

    After using Silent Unity, Denials and Affirmations to having an “all clear” pronounced on my skin cancer, I started a new project. I have had pain for years in my shoulders. I noticed a lot of nitrogen bubbles popping there when I moved. I decided to use a metaphysical solution to improve this. I am taking 125% the daily dose (suggested) of Cod Liver Oil. The internet indicated this treatment would be useful. I morphed the initials of my medication CLO into my daily affirmation:


    It seems to be working.
    Love and Blessings to all.

  36. Technical difficulties on last week’s show must have been frustrating. It takes courage to “stay the course.” Congratulations.

  37. Hi All,

    Bill this question is for you – my husband (a recovering Catholic 🙂 and I just finished watching the documentary “The Quantum Activist” about Amit Goswami. Do you have any “beginner” suggestions for books and/or movies about Quantum Physics? We’re fascinated with the topic and would love to learn more.

    Thank you for your scientific enhancement during each show… it!


    1. Hi, Dawn:
      Thanks for your comments — and your interest in Quantum Physics. You will discover that your fascination will only continue to grow as you explore it more deeply!
      Here are a couple of books I’d recommend:
      Quantum Enigma by Bruce Rosenblum and Fred Kuttner;
      The Divine Universe by Swami Abhayananda;
      In Search of the Multiverse by John Gribbon;
      The View From the Center of the Universe by Joel Prmack & Nancy Abrams

      We invite other listeners to weigh in with books, too!

      Affirming great adventures in your explorations! Thanks for listening!
      Blessings, Bil

  38. Hi all……I was listening to the latest show and had a question regarding forgiveness. I have a saying over my computer that reads “Spiritually you need to forgive those that have hurt you, but you don’t need to hang out with them”. Can I get your feedback on that quote.


    1. I’m going to share my two cents worth on this — and let Bil and Paul chime in if they want! My thinking is that this quote reminds us that forgiveness is vitally important for our spiritual growth, because it is an inside job. It is an act of releasing the power you have given to a situation. There is a big difference between forgiveness and approving of someone’s behavior. You can release the emotional baggage around a situation and affirm for that person their highest and best; however, you do not need to spend time with them or be a part of any behaviors which are not in alignment with your own highest and best evolvement. Hope this helps!! Forgiveness rocks!

      1. Thank you for your reply Cher! I was just listening to something recently that added to this as well…..since everything is energy, sometimes we need to be “vibrational snobs”, carefully choosing people, places and things that we want to surround ourselves with. Forgiveness helps us take a metaphorical giant eraser, allowing us to start with a clean slate, and then we can choose who and what we want to write on that nice, clean slate.

        Forgiveness totally rocks!

        1. I am totally in agreement with Dawn statement and Cher’s reply. These teachings are more about what we are doing in our on consciousness … how we are working with our own thoughts, ideas, beliefs, feelings and emotions … than with the outer realm of events and people. It hurts my consciousness to hold something against someone else. As Bil has wisely said, “What we put out is already in!” And, by the immutable, spiritual Law of Mind Action, what I hold in mind with feeling grows and gets bigger.
          Forgiveness changes my consciousness, it does not necessarily cause any change in the other person. Though, as each of us raise our consciousness the collective consciousness raises!

          Blessing you! Paul

  39. Thank you sooooo much for the amazing job you are doing with the show and with the weekly adventures! Paul, your website is great and I LOVE the metaphysical interpretations of the Daily Word! You are making it so much easier for me to absorb the daily pages because the “regular” wording was making me a little uncomfortable. Since I’ve been studying metaphysics, quantum physics and Science of Mind, the duality of some of Unity and other teachings can often make me pause and try to interpret on my own; you’ve thankfully made it much easier. Please keep posting your interpretation on a daily basis (if possible). Thank you all for the show, your websites and for your work in this world!

  40. Greetings,
    Rearding Nov. 4 broadcast; Hell is defined metaphorically in a beautiful story found at Dadiel 3 1-30
    Blessings to all

  41. Hi Eldon,

    I hope you found the episode for Oct 7. It is there now. It was my bad … I had not sent the description for that episode.

    Blessing you, Paul

  42. Hi,
    I was unable to listen to the October 7 broadcast. It hasn’t appeared in the archives yet. I hope to see it soon.
    Blessing you,Eldon

  43. Thanks so much for your positive feedback! We hope you continue to visit and find lots of great information and practical tips to walk the spiritual path on practical feet!

  44. Thanks so much for your positive feedback! We do our own design work, so your comments are particularly appreciated! Glad you are enjoying the show and our site!

  45. Dear Reverends Paul, Cher and Bill:
    Many thanks for another powerful program – understanding how the physical and spiritual universes share Oneness can be quite a challenge and your show made it simpler.

    Can you define “wave” and “particle” from the Quantum Physics perspective? It seems to be a recurring concept on the programs and I am not sure I grasp it totally. Thanks!

    Blessings to all!

    1. Great question — and tough to answer in a simple way! The quantum nature of matter and wave-particle duality, and other quantum theories are difficult to explain in terms other than mathematical equations. When trying to explain the wave-particle duality in conceptual terms, we’re asked to accept things that don’t make sense outside of quantum physics.
      Anyway, here are a couple ideas that may help (if this gets too involved, skip to the last sentence for a simplified metaphorical way to “get it!”):
      Waves, in general are disturbances. Most familiar are surface waves that travel on water, but sound, light, and the motion of subatomic particles all exhibit wavelike properties. In the simplest waves, the disturbance oscillates periodically with a fixed frequency and wavelength. Mechanical waves, such as sound, require a medium through which to travel, while electromagnetic waves do not require a medium and can be propagated through a vacuum.
      When physicists discovered that the mathematics of how waves move is entirely similar to certain elements of quantum mechanics, they began to wonder if that’s all that waves really ‘are,’ or if they are something more fundamental. In other words, are quantum mechanical waves just analogies for ‘real’ waves, which are waves in a medium, or are waves in a medium just analogies for the ‘real’ waves, the quantum mechanical ones?
      The idea of a particle underwent serious rethinking when experiments showed that light could behave like a stream of particles called photons as well as exhibit wave-like properties. This led to the concept of wave-particle duality to reflect that quantum-scale ‘particles’ behave like both particles and waves, also known as wavicles (entities which simultaneously have the properties of a wave as well as a particle. The uncertainty principle states that some of their properties, such as position and momentum cannot be measured exactly.
      Wave–particle duality is a theory that proposes that every particle exhibits the properties of not only particles, but also waves. This duality addresses the inability of the classical concepts ‘particle’ or ‘wave’ to fully describe the behavior of quantum-scale objects.
      Physicists accept the dual nature of light. They define light as a collection of one or more photons propagating through space as electromagnetic waves. This definition, combines light’s wave and particle nature which sees particles as collapsed waves.
      In quantum physics, wave function collapse is the condensation of physical possibilities into a single occurrence, as seen by an observer. It is one of two processes by which quantum systems evolve in time according to the laws of quantum physics.
      This is probably a case of “TMI” and may have confused more than clarified! From a spiritual perspective, (and Quantum Physicists will cringe if they read this) you could simply analogize that a wave is unmanifested potential, and a particle is manifested matter.
      Hope this helps!!

      1. Thank you so much! This definitely helps. I will certainly have to read it a few times, but I can hrab the concept already. Enjoy a blessed weekend!


      2. The first ever photograph of light as both a particle and wave,

        I thought I would share this as ‘particle and wave’ is a recurring comment on MetaRomp.Seeing the photograph helps make ‘real’ to me that light is both particle and wave, and that this is no separation between particle and wave. Particle and wave are two sides of one coin.

  46. I simply want to give a “shout out” of thanks to my co-hosts, Cher and Bil, and their great responses to the posts! Yahoo!

    1. Thanks, Paul! Kudos back to you for hosting such an enriching show! We are truly enjoying bellying up to the virtual kitchen table with you every week!!

  47. REVS. Paul,Cher and Bil:
    I believe the LDS “First Estate” sounds like the “Void” which preceded Creation.
    MANY THANKS FOR TODAY’s BROADCAST! This is the marriage of Spiritual Truths with the congruence of current science revlations.
    Eldon in Florida

    1. Hi Eldon! Thanks … knowing your desire to stay current with Science and Spirituality lends even more umph to your kind and generous comments!


  48. Rev. Paul, Rev. Cher, and Rev. Bill

    Do you have a handout with the new terms that are associated with the 12 Powers or is there a reference that you would suggest?

    Love the program !


    1. Thanks for your comment — and your appreciation for the radio program!
      In terms of the 12 POwers, there are different versions of the terms, many of which can be used interchangeably. But we are posting two of our more current diagrams on the metaromp blog site for your reference. They will be up soon, so just take a look for them. They will be pdf format. We will be doing a few shows dedicated to the 12 Powers in the future … and of course we always recommend our books on the 12 Powers, which you can find here. Just scroll down till you find Power Up Your Life and PowerUP. Both these books focus on the 12 Powers. Power Up Your Life is an adapted version of PowerUP, and includes more detail along with science research to support each of the powers! Hope this helps!

  49. Thank you for another informative website. Where else could I get that kind of info written in such an ideal way? I have a project that I am just now working on, and I’ve been on the look out for such info.

  50. On the July 22 Rev. Bill mentioned a concept that biologists have described as “——-” moments (these Bill said are wired in us allowing us to make decisions; kind of a relay before we do). I have replayed the program section back and forth and I cannot get the spelling right. Can you please spell it here? I would like to read more about it.

    1. Sorry for the delay in replying! Here is some info on the Bereitschafts Potential: Bereitschafts Potential: the narrow neural time line between deciding to act and actually acting; (In neurology, the Bereitschafts potential (German, readiness potential), also called the pre-motor potential, is a measure of activity in the motor cortex area of the brain indicating voluntary muscle movement. The Bereitschafts potential is a manifestation of cortical contribution to the pre-motor planning of volitional movement. It was first recorded and reported in 1964 by Hans Helmut Kornhuber and Lüder Deecke at the University of Freiburg in Germany. In a series of experiments in the 1980’s, Benjamin Libet studied the relationship between conscious experience of volition and Bereitschafts potential and found that the Bereitschafts potential started about 0.35 sec earlier than people reported conscious awareness that they felt the desire to take some kind of action. He found that people were able to prevent an intended action at the last moment by consciously vetoing these actions).

  51. Hi Everyone,

    I just cruised over to I clicked on Metaphysical Romp II. The Program Archives are located there. It appears that all the programs since June 6, 2014 are available.

    Blessing all of you, Paul

  52. Hi Everyone,

    I am not sure what is happening either. We will be checking. I do know the August 19th program was an encore of the previous week, August 12th.

    Blessing you, Paul

  53. Hi there metaphysics adventurers!
    Did you not have a show on 8/19? It is not in Unity FM nor Stitcher nor iTunes…

    Blessings to all!



    1. Lynda,
      FYI – I completed the form at Unity On Line Radio “Contact Us” expressing the concerns you posted.

      1. Thanks Eldon! I just checked and the missing programs are still not available – I will verify later this week.
        Enjoy a blessed week!


        1. Thanks for your question, Lynda. We’re not sure what happened — but we will dig into it as well. We appreciate you making us aware of it.

  54. I received this article from IONS:
    The report states:”…if some aspect of consciousness is a primordial self-aware
    feature of the fabric of reality, and property is modulated by us through capacities
    we know as attention and intention,then focusing attention on a double-Slit system
    may in turn affect the interference pattern.

    Paris Sizan’s blog (on the we) says:
    “Connecting to the All – The revelation that the universe is not an assembly of physical parts, but instead comes from an entanglement of immaterial energy waves stems from the work of Albert Einstein, Max Planck and Werner Heisenberg among others.”

    I am pleased Metaromp 2 is discussing meditation. Please discuss the possibility of using attention and intention within the context of meditation and having faith in things not in (phisical) evidence. Also the associated pitfalls.

    Eldon in Florida

    1. Thanks, Eldon, for your consistent support for our program and content! Hope our follow-up program delving more into meditation and The Silence was helpful!!


  55. My goal here then is to clarify the uselessness of metaphysics, and then transition from empiricism (as a counter
    to moral rationalism), and move more directly into
    skepticism. The survival of the soul through the change called death is on the verge of being openly
    acknowledged by scientists and scholars of academic circles.

    It is said that orange light in the room of the dying helps the awareness-principle to
    maintain consciousness so that it would not miss the
    Clear Light of the first stage of the bardo.

  56. I really love the conversation on Metaphysical Romp II. New ideas have been discussed on each episode, new techniques have been shared, and new possibilities have been born in me as a result of listening! This is a smart and well crafted discussion of cutting edge spiritual ideas! Well done!

    1. Awesome comments, Eric! Thanks so much for your feedback … and for listening! Keep us posted on your experiences as you try out our Metaphysical Adventures!

    1. Hi there spiritual trio!
      Did you not have a show on 6/17 and 6/24? It is not in Unity FM nor Stitcher nor iTunes….from 6/10 programs in alll these venues jump to July 1st which I will be listening shortly.

      Blessings to all!



      1. We definitely have programs for those dates! Thanks for letting us know there is a problem. I have contacted the radio station director, and will let you know what the problem is — or even better, I will hopefully be able to give you the link to the past shows!!

  57. Hello!
    I see that the last 2 episodes of Metaphysical Romp II are not available in Am I wrong? Do you think we’ll get them?
    I work when the show is on, and I listen to it later.
    Thank you!!!!!

  58. I am a long time listener to Metaphysical Romp and SO happy that Cher and Bill have joined the conversation. I have your books “Heart Centered Metaphysics”, “Get Over It!” and “Straight Talk About Spiritual Stuff”. I am a Certified Divorce Coach and just had a client text me today that she was dealing with an extremely stressful situation at work. Since I couldn’t speak to her until later in the afternoon, I sent her a link to the “Holy Cow” technique and it worked wonderfully for her until we could speak. Thank you for connecting spirituality with science….I love it!!


    1. This is awesome, Dawn! Thanks for sharing it — it is a good reminder to others about how they can provide real help to friends or clients simply by linking them to one of the techniques we share. You never know who might be searching … and this could be a great way to get them connected with a wonderful, supportive community! We’ll keep looking for other comments, Dawn, about how you are integrating metaphysics and science with your spiritual enrichment!

    2. Hi Dawn,

      Brilliant!!! While you could not speak in the moment you did quite a bit! It is joyful to learn the ways in which these wonderful teachings are rippled out into the world by wise people like you! Paul

    1. Thanks, Alison! We’re so glad you are a long-time listener, and really appreciate you joining us for Metaphysical Romp II. Let us know how the Metaphysical Adventure work for you!

      1. I look forward to all your programs as they come up on the radio site. I have noticed that it sometimes takes a while for them to appear. I appreciate all the effort that goes into providing us with this material. I continue to listen while I Trikke 3 miles every day. You all make my trip and exercise a welcome event in my life. Loving you all lots, after all, we are all That, Alison.

  59. I am a long time listener and supporter of Metaphysical Romp. I love the focus on living the Principles and living the Metaphysical concepts. I have just heard the inaugural broadcast on Podcasts and I love it. I will listen to it again as I ride my Trikke for 3 miles. Thank you all for being a blessing to our Oneness. Alison.

  60. Hi,
    I just wanted to say thank you for this Magical show and the work you are doing. I found Heart-Centered Metaphysics on kindle about 2 weeks ago… and was lead to find your radio show in a naturally magical way about a week ago.
    I just wanted to say thank you, what you are doing is a blessing to so many who are ready.
    Oceans of Peace.

    1. We are so glad you are joining us around our virtual kitchen table, enjoying the show! (Don’t you just love those “naturally magical” events?) We also wanted to recommend you look for the accompanying workbook that goes with Heart-Centered Metaphysics, entitled Applying Heart-Centered Metaphysics. It takes each chapter of the original book and offers practical discussion, clarity, and activities to help you apply what is in the book.

      Keep us posted on what you are enjoying about the show!

  61. I find that after Refection and Review of a COW event, going into the silence frequently allows me to understand ways to change my negative,relative, reactions into positive,absolute, actions. Thanks for reinforcing my understanding of the 5th Unity Principle.

    1. You bet, Eldon! That 5th Principle can be the toughest! For those who may not know, the 5th Principle is: Knowing and understanding the Principles is not enough. We must also live the Truth we know!
      Thanks for your thoughts!

    2. Holy Cow, Eldon! That was beautifully put when you said, “change my negative, relative reactions into positive, absolute actions! Paul

  62. What a great metaphysical sound byte, Lynda!! Thank you so much for your enthusiastic feedback! We look forward to hearing more from you as you experience the metaphysical adventures from our show!

  63. Metaphysical Romp II is the “absolute real deal” in the relative realm! 🙂
    The first program was a blessing. I am so looking forward to the upcoming shows. The timing is perfect for me as I just completed the UNITY SEE 8 week interactive online course led by Rev. Eileen Goor. And Rev. Paul Hasselbeck’s Heartcentered Metaphysics textbook was the studied book. Simply fascinated I send to you all, showers of grace blessings. Thank you so much for your work.

  64. Thanks for being a loyal listener — and for all your great comments in the past, Eldon! We are looking forward to great conversations as we move forward! You’re awesome!

  65. Long time listener to Metaromp 1. Anticipating long time listening to Metaromp 2. Thanks Rev.Paul for “amping it up” with Revs. CHER & Bil.

    1. Hi Eldon, Thank you for being a VERY loyal listener. I trust you will enjoy Meta Romp II as much and Bil, Cher and I enjoy creating it. Keep you comments and suggestions coming. Blessings, Paul

  66. Hi Everyone … simply wanted to add my “two cents’ worth! Thanks to everyone for your supportive, loving comments. It is a blast creating this program with Bil and Cher. It truly is like “sitting around a virtual kitchen table!’ and sharing about 21st Century Metaphysics.

  67. Love Metaphysical Romp. Have several downloaded to my phone so I can listen when I’m driving. And now it’s even better with 2 metaphysical and romping experts added to Paul. Keep up the good work.

    1. Thanks, Ron! A real compliment coming from a metaphysical romping cohort like you! Thanks for listening — and send us your comments/issues you’d like us to discuss on air!

  68. Wow!! What power and promise for MR II. 3 Heavy Weights offering metaphysical principles with practical applications. Thank you for pointing out how Unity is different from other nominally Christian churches.

    Thank you,

    1. Thanks so much, Pat, for your powerful comments! We love sharing our out-of-the-box viewpoints with our listeners! We really appreciate your feedback!

  69. Love your comment, Rev. Vi! Thanks so much!
    We hope you’ll share your ideas about 21st Century Metaphysics with us!

  70. i loved the new Metaphysical Romp II with Cher, Bill and Paul. The conversation about the Absolute and Relative Realm was very helpful. What a nice service to aid the audience to understand 21st century Metaphysics.
    Thank you! Dianne

    1. Thanks so much, Dianne! It’s good to know folks are listening out there … and even better to know it is making a difference! Let us know if you use any of the Metaphysical Adventures — and how they work for you!
      Cher, Bil, & Paul

  71. Hi!
    This is a section for comments, and we hope you will let us know what you think of the show, as well as any questions or topics you would like us to discuss.

    We look forward to sharing with you every week on Metaphysical Romp 2!

    1. Are being a practicing Catholic all my life, a year ago I stumbled on the course Unity For Today which has changed my life. I would like to pray as a unity student. I listen to 5 Steps Prayer . I think for clarity sake and for none unity members, your team should give example(s) for each step. For example Thanksgiving and appreciation or Realization, What should a person say or how it should be said. Remember most Unity Members already know how to pray. Keep up the good work.

      1. Thanks so much for your feedback! Hopefully you heard our broadcast, where we provided actual examples of using affirmative prayer in real situations. You can find the link to that show here.

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